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[Kedamono]

I looked at the current table and I didn't like the fact that it took 255 days to get to Pluto from Neptune, even though they are relatively close together. So I revised the table to take into account the relative distances. I also noted that the travel times noted on the table were roughly 6 days per AU, which helped a lot in correcting the travel times to each world.

	Mercury	Venus	Earth	Mars	Jupiter	Saturn	Uranus	Neptune	Pluto
Mercury	0	4	6	9	30	55	114	180	234
Venus	4	0	2	5	26	51	110	176	230
Earth	6	2	0	3	24	49	108	174	228
Mars	9	5	3	0	21	46	105	171	225
Jupiter	30	26	24	21	0	25	84	150	204
Saturn	55	51	49	46	25	0	59	128	179
Uranus	114	110	108	105	84	59	0	66	120
Neptune	180	176	174	171	150	128	66	0	54
Pluto	234	230	228	225	204	179	120	54	0

I had to assume that travel time was in days, based on the statement that it took 1/250th of normal travel time.

So what do you think sirs?

[Kedamono]

And now I've added Ceres to the table:

	Mercury	Venus	Earth	Mars	Ceres	Jupiter	Saturn	Uranus	Neptune	Pluto
Mercury	0	4	6	9	16	30	55	114	180	234
	Venus	0	2	5	12	26	51	110	176	230
		Earth	0	3	10	24	49	108	174	228
			Mars	0	7	21	46	105	171	225
				Ceres	0	14	39	98	164	218
					Jupiter	0	25	84	150	204
						Saturn	0	59	128	179
							Uranus	0	66	120
								Neptune	0	54
									Pluto	0

[BerkaZerka]

Pretty good work Kedamono, though Hypergate Travel Times are in Hours, not Days 

I note that you are not the first to ask, so it makes me want to take a look at the section to see how we can better explained it – though we’ll have to put it in when we do another printing.

Give me a few moments and I’ll post a rundown of how I calculated the Hypergate times – though you can certainly use your own times if you wish.

BZ

[BerkaZerka]

OK, after checking the section, I see that ‘In Hours’ has accidently been dropped from the table and does not appear anywhere in the text – rats

That said – many thanks for bringing it to our attention, we’ll be working on a fix – easy for the PDF, might be a while for the hardcopy…

Anyway – The Hypergates travel times are in Hours, and reduce the distance between them to 1/250th that of normal.  Further, they all pass through the Sun, whose gravity powers them, thus making the distance between each gate constant, regardless of the alignment of each planet and moon in relation to each other – it goes gate to Sun, Sun to gate.

To get the time in Hours, I took and added together the orbital distance (from the Sun) of each connected planet or moon, then divided by 250 to get miles, then again divided by 60,000 MPH (standard ship speed) to get Hours.  (((Distance A From Sun) + (Distance B From Sun) /250) /60,000) = Hypergate Time In Hours.

BZ

[Kedamono]

The reason I lit on 6 "time units" per AU is that the math works out the same and it's easier. 

Earth is 1 AU, or 6 hours from Mercury, thereabouts.
Mars is 1.5 AUs or 9 hours from Mercury. See how they start lining up? Your times from Mercury to all the planets worked out to 6 hours per AU, which is why I revised the table to match that value. I also used the semimajor axis of each planet's orbit to work out the distance.

Also, you may want to rewrite the section on how the first wormholes were stabilized, because I got the impression that the first wormhole had its Sol end moved from Sol to Mars. This is the text that gives that impression:

Using this knowledge, mankind went into space and created a gate around the wormhole above the moon, allowing them to direct its other end to any point in the Solar System. A team of brave (and some say insane) scientists then traveled through - their control ship coming out in orbit above Mars.

So you could see why I thought the wormhole was moved and didn't go through the Sun. And technically, it takes nearly zero time to traverse a wormhole from end to end, they are always next to each other internally no matter how far away the ends are. You also have the problem of time travel, where one end of the wormhole is at a different time than the other end. That happens when you move one end.

So, let's not call it a wormhole, but a hypertube that has a set internal distance when it's first created, but afterwards the internal distance never changes. Yeah, that's a wormhole, but not. 

[BerkaZerka]

I actually love to contemplate these sorts of things – sort of the ‘what if’ of science and physics.  Like what if someone really could lift 500,000,000 lbs, what would happen if they tried to pick up a battleship and swing it like a baseball bat?  Would it swing or crumple under its own weight out of water?  The later actually, but slamming someone with a battleship is too cool to let a little thing like reality get in the way, especially when you’ve already forgone reality in the first place to let the guy be able to lift 500,000,000 lbs

Anyway, I mention this, because in the BHB rules, I intentionally avoided getting too detailed in things, trying to let simplicity rule the day.  I didn’t catch the AU correlation when calculating Hypergate Travel Times (though now that you point it out, I do think it’s pretty cool ) – I was also quite liberal in my rounding of the numbers. 

I think this sums it up pretty well –

As for the Official Setting Material (already laid out in the book), it is intentionally left with some ‘whitespace’ – like the old-school game maps: “Here There Be Dragons”.  We didn’t want Forgotten Realms level minutia, where everything was detailed down to the whether the prince hangs to the right or left of his codpiece.

This leaves exactly this kind of opportunity for GMs of the game – set some stuff out on your own and customize the setting to your taste.  And by all means share it here

On this –

Using this knowledge, mankind went into space and created a gate around the wormhole above the moon, allowing them to direct its other end to any point in the Solar System. A team of brave (and some say insane) scientists then traveled through - their control ship coming out in orbit above Mars.

Yeah, I agree this could be explained better.  Because of this, it is actually one of the things we touch on in our forthcoming Starship Supplement.

Hypertubes vs. Wormholes – hmm… ‘Hypertubes’ does have a pretty cool ring to it

BZ

[Kedamono]

Yeah, I agree this could be explained better.  Because of this, it is actually one of the things we touch on in our forthcoming Starship Supplement.

Sounds cool. I've played SF RPGS since Starships and Spacemen which has a similar legacy as Bounty Head Bebop, and having a decent set of ship rules is nice, though only if you plan to have tactical shoot'em ups. And for that, I would recommend Attack Vector Tactical for realistic 3D vector movement.

Hypertubes vs. Wormholes – hmm… ‘Hypertubes’ does have a pretty cool ring to it

Well, if you like it, you have my permission to use it. I'm always willing to share.

[BerkaZerka]

Hypertubes vs. Wormholes – hmm… ‘Hypertubes’ does have a pretty cool ring to it

Well, if you like it, you have my permission to use it. I'm always willing to share.

Awesome 

BZ